joining us from washington mary catherine ham and juan williams from washington. where am i going wrong, juan. >> you said people feel more secure if they are able to own a gun. i have got to say first off the bat, bill. i think you are exactly right about everybody's right to have a gun the supreme court has reaffirmed it. i differ about my understanding what the founding fathers wrote. i think they were writing about a militia. the court sides with bill o'reilly or bill o'reilly sides with the court. we have some guns in this country right now and when you talk about someone feeling more secure, according to the center for disease control, you know, you're 50% more likely to shoot yourself than shoot any other criminal, more likely to shoot a spouse or a child than to shoot anybody who intends to do you harm. that's why i think -- >> bill: that's an individual decision and you can say look, you are 50% more likely to have a house fire if you have an oven rather than if you didn't have one. that doesn't really make any sense. what makes sense though is mary katha